samedi 3 juin 2017

Lucien Hardy pro dualism experiment?


I cam across this experiment Proposal to use Humans to switch
settings in a Bell experiment by Lucien Hardy.

In it Lucien Hardy if I got it right wants to prove that the mind is something special:


Now, Lucien Hardy at the Perimeter Institute in Canada suggests that the measurements at A and B can be controlled by something that could potentially be separate from the material world: the human mind.

“[French philosopher Rene] Descartes put forth this mind-matter duality, [where] the mind is outside of regular physics and intervenes on the physical world,” says Hardy.

Question of free will
To test this idea, Hardy proposed an experiment in which A and B are set 100 kilometres apart. At each end, about 100 humans are hooked up to EEG headsets that can read their brain activity. These signals are then used to switch the settings on the measuring device at each location.

The idea is to perform an extremely large number of measurements at A and B and extract the small fraction in which the EEG signals caused changes to the settings at A and B after the particles departed their original position but before they arrived and were measured..

If the amount of correlation between these measurements doesn’t tally with previous Bell tests, it implies a violation of quantum theory, hinting that the measurements at A and B are being controlled by processes outside the purview of standard physics.

“[If] you only saw a violation of quantum theory when you had systems that might be regarded as conscious, humans or other animals, that would certainly be exciting. I can’t imagine a more striking experimental result in physics than that,” Hardy says. “We’d want to debate as to what that meant.”

Such a finding would stir up debate about the existence of free will. It could be that even if physics dictated the material world, the human mind not being made of that same matter would mean that we could overcome physics with free will. “It wouldn’t settle the question, but it would certainly have a strong bearing on the issue of free will,” says Hardy.

Nicolas Gisin at the University of Geneva in Switzerland thinks Hardy’s proposal makes “plenty of sense”, but he’s sceptical of using unstructured EEG signals to switch settings on devices. That’s akin to using the brain as a random number generator, says Gisin. He would rather see an experiment where the conscious intent of humans is used to perform the switching – but that would be experimentally more challenging.

Either way, he wants to see the experiment done. “There is an enormous probability that nothing special will happen, and that quantum physics will not change,” says Gisin. “But if someone does the experiment and gets a surprising result, the reward is enormous. It would be the first time we as scientists can put our hands on this mind-body or problem of consciousness.”
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The whole paper is here:

The only problem I found besides what Gisin is talking about is that the experiment is financed by the Templeton foundation:


This project/publication was made possible through the support of a grant from the John Templeton Foundation. The opinions expressed in this publication are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the views of the John Templeton Foundation.
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Page: 25

Here is even a article about it:

If someone knows more please tell me. I suspect that when Templeton is behind it they have their own agenda and convinced Lucien Hardy of it because of the money to get into this nonsense if some sort of dualism.

Thanks for reading this and if someone knows more information please share. Thanks.

via International Skeptics Forum

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